RAT and A20

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Trekkan

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[UPDATE]
RAT 3 has been released, so I am locking this thread. You can find it here: RAT 3

So, I was able to do a few tests and it appears 7that much has changed in A20, that breaks RAT and BCM (mod required for RAT), a large part of that is the change to how the player IDs are sent across, the format of that has changed.

In order to make RAT work again, it would require significant work to update RAT, and the work to update BCM, I'm not even sure where to begin with it (due to my own limited abilities, not BCM).

That being said, while RAT still connects to your game server and some things work, there are many things that aren't going to work. Such as getting blocks, items, etc. Various events like player inventory, horde spawners, etc. There's a lot.

But there is also a lot that does still work, or would still work with some updates. As some of you know, I had been working on an entirely new update for RAT, RAT3. I started all of that work without using BCM, so that code still functions. Currently that is mostly things like the actual server management for local servers. So start up, shut down, serverconfig.xml changes, chat, Discord, etc. All of that works (again with some modification).

If there is interest, I might consider slimming RAT down to the things that don't require BCM and seeing what I can do with that, since the RAT3 code was never released and seemed to work pretty nicely.

But, as it stands, the current release of RAT, the majority of functionality does NOT work with A20.

So if you're interested in a slimmed down version of RAT (I'll try and be more specific with what features would remain at a later date), please let me know. Either by replying to this post, contact me in Discord, post in our Discord, etc.

I can't be more honest in that your interest is directly related to how much time I spend on this (if any), going forward.
 
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Batata

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Well im not a coder expert so i never could help you , however yes i would love to have the RAT working properly and fully on new versions of 7d2d and so goes on , but if there isnt much interest then you are loosing your time sadly but its the true , no other will replace RAT as you build something properly and unique , hope theres a future for it , if not , thank you anyway!
 

krazymantoast

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I have used RAT for many years to host my 7D2D server. I am not sure how complicated building RAT is but if you want help I can see if it is in my skills to do so. I have done many years of Software QA and have exposure to writing code. I am not a LEET programmer but if it is something I am capable of helping with I would donate some of my time to help RAT as it has helped me.
 

Shraken

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I am a simpleton and use it for a basic server setup so I don't have any preference on BCM or not, a lot of the more interesting features I don't use other than spawning hordes on my friends, the odd item and the map.
Not having an easy to use server manager does hurt the game in the long run I think, it's a shame the developers don't just pay you to make the server manager frontend/GUI.
 

nemoek

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I am very interested in an updated version to manage A20+

While some of the more advance features are fun (setting up a chat trigger to spawn yourself a few screamers when the game gets slow, grab bags, etc) they're not requirements in my book. A basic manager (aka RAT-lite) that can spawn items and zekes, make changing the config a bit easier, manage remotely (telnet) and the like would be welcome in lieu of a full featured RAT release.
 

Ozzland

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Hey Trekkan, I just wanted to chime in also I love RAT have used it since A16.
I have tried and used a few of the bells and whistles now and then but the general server setup and telnet are really the core items. Everything else is cool but not why I use it any longer. Would love a stripped down version that keeps RAT alive.
 

Trekkan

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Thanks everyone who has so far replied! I'll be working this weekend to see what I can see and how much of RAT is still viable and how much makes sense to update. After that, I'll know if there is still enough left to have a viable product or not and I'll let you know where that stands. But please, if you're still interested in RAT and haven't replied yet, please let me know!

Also, if you are interested in a "lite" version of RAT, can you please post here and let me know what you think are "essential" features of RAT to you? Basically what you can't live without. That'll help me narrow my focus and get everyone some answers much quicker.
 

Ozzland

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I usually play as a small group admin (10 peeps or under). I run the host server locally. I maintain and create my own mods.
With RAT use the following.

Essentials:
Server setup:
- import and export of server.xml (game settings display ability to modify)
-startup, shutdown, restart
- backup and restore
-telnet connection with command line for pushing console commands
Extras:
- scheduled restarts, nice but as an extra
- permissions - this is just for ease of use
- logs are always nice
 

Trekkan

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With RAT use the following.

Essentials:
Server setup:
- import and export of server.xml (game settings display ability to modify)
-startup, shutdown, restart
- backup and restore
-telnet connection with command line for pushing console commands
Extras:
- scheduled restarts, nice but as an extra
- permissions - this is just for ease of use
- logs are always nice
Doesn't sound like you'll end up having a problem then, at least with an updated RAT you should be good (or could even continue to use the current RAT). =)
 

JagerologyGaming

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I am hoping that you decide to update for A20.

This is hands down THE best server manager with the most options. I could not imagine using any other server manager for 7 Days to Die.

I would however like to see a more stand alone option (no separate mods needed for use). I don't want this to be in exchange for functions though. I understand this a lot to ask and I do appreciate all the work that has been put into this application so far by everyone involved.
 

theomen

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Would love RAT to be updated for A20 with the most possible actual options ported to that new version.
It's an incredible server manager tool and can't think of changing it, using CSMM at the moment but I really prefer RAT.
I would even be open minded if you would need some donation for the work ;-).

Keep RAT running mate, awesome job!
 

Avro504ga

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Hey, I'm in support of a slimmed down RAT for A20. Just having the bear essentials to keep the game running and backed up would be great.
 

sLimLong136

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Good day, for me the rat was everything. This is the most convenient server management.
The function that I used and which I would like to see in rat3
- List of players
-Console
- File management serveradmin.xml so that you can easily issue titles to players.
- Auto-restarts with notification
- Backups
Discord integration (other services offer only the choice of full chat or only global)
- Ban Management
- Remote connection
- Stability in older versions there were frequent crashes and crashes (which made me very sad)
Dear TREKKAN, I am even ready to pay for a good manager. Which will work like a Swiss watch.
You can contact me on discord if you need financial assistance. sLim Long#9007
 

Trekkan

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Good day, for me the rat was everything. This is the most convenient server management.
The function that I used and which I would like to see in rat3
- List of players
-Console
- File management serveradmin.xml so that you can easily issue titles to players.
- Auto-restarts with notification
- Backups
Discord integration (other services offer only the choice of full chat or only global)
- Ban Management
- Remote connection
- Stability in older versions there were frequent crashes and crashes (which made me very sad)
Dear TREKKAN, I am even ready to pay for a good manager. Which will work like a Swiss watch.
You can contact me on discord if you need financial assistance. sLim Long#9007
Most everything you've mentioned should be coming soon. There are two things on your list that will take a little longer.

The auto restarts, I'm working on a full scheduler, but it had to take a backseat while I do the rest of the base work.

And finally, stability. That's always an ongoing thing. I can say though that the new RAT is fully rewritten and the codebase is much cleaner and tighter. That being said, its also mostly untested, so it'll take a while for people to test, report and me to fix the bugs. But I understand what you are saying, there have been times that its been a problem.

As for money, when the new RAT is released, I'll open up the RAT donations again (I took them down as I didn't want people to donate if I wasn't working on the project), and then you can donate whatever you feel RAT is worth to you. =)
 
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